Makes Blackness. Refines It. Makes It Again and Recycles Blackness Pope.l Black Factory

If you lot walked through the tourists who throng the market stalls in Union Square's Southward Plaza like unmoored dirigibles on July 22nd, your course would have been further complicated past a tent, an inflatable igloo, and a van emblazoned with some sort of logo. The brandish may accept looked like another guerilla marketing campaign—it seems there's a crap giveaway at to the lowest degree one time a 24-hour interval in the park—until you got a little closer and a man in a hockey mask painted with blackface came up and asked, "What kind of nigger are y'all?"

Welcome to The Blackness Factory.

The brainchild of artist William Pope.L, The Black Factory has been on the road for vii years, bringing an ever-changing blend of provocation and operation to cities all over North America. The Black Factory hovers somewhere between an impromptu performance by a clique of off-kilter buskers and shock art served straight upwards. Throughout its twenty-four hour period-long, multi-part displays, Pope.L seeks to engage the public in an interactive dialogue about difference–whether or not the public is set up for it.

Besides known for his street crawls, staged solo and in big groups, Pope.Fifty has fabricated a career out of transforming taboo topics such every bit race and class disparities into in-your-face spectacles. After his troupe's Union Square operation, I sat down with Pope.50 to talk most the artist'due south part as provocateur, the country of race relations in America, and why he decided to move to Maine.

JL: Can you lot tell me a lilliputian bit more nigh your performance today: how y'all thought it went, and in what style this might take differed from some of the performances you've done in other places?

WP.50: For a project that has this many parts ... I think it went pretty well. Every bit you know, the urban center decided to edit our permit at half dozen or 7 o'clock this morn, in a major way, so what practice y'all do? Especially if you know it'due south going to be raining all solar day off and on. But the crew handled information technology very nicely. No i quit, that's expert. No one got stabbed by anyone for saying something about race they shouldn't take.

JL: When I was [at the performance] I saw the guys in the blackface hockey masks really provoking some of the people who were there. Is this something that you do on purpose?

WP.50: Offset of all I call up it's of import to try to talk almost divergence, or what separates people, and what brings them together in a public mode. The idea is to possibly bring back some sense of a public square kind of atmosphere.... You want people to feel that they can enter the word. At the same time, I don't want them to get the thought that the discussion is going to be piece of cake.

Our obligation was to commit to beingness there. If people walk away from yous, you get to the adjacent person. If that person walks abroad from yous, you go the side by side person. Now, that'southward very frustrating, let me tell you. And it does carp the crew a lot to have that happen over and over again. Just that'due south part of it. Someone needs to brand the outset step. Someone needs to make the second step, sometimes ... it's a leap of organized religion.

JL: At least in a way y'all're kind of planting a seed. Even if they walk abroad, they've walked away for a reason, because they're uncomfortable, right? So y'all're making them recall about something.

WP.L: I similar that idea, but in some manner it's another cliché–the "plant the thought" thing. Sometimes I but wanna grab people and milk shake them really hard like they're a petty baby and say, "Look at you, look at you!" And then requite them a clasp, and then go "Wait, it'due south okay ... it's okay to be concerned that you have to get where you need to go, but can you hang out with me just for a 2nd?"

And it's funny, in urban places, sometimes people who accept a lot of friends... still experience isolated hither. Sometimes I think a lot of people we meet simply want someone to speak about what's going on inside–to bring their within outside. In the Us, where there's so much floating difference, there's a reason that people feel carve up from each other. If nosotros can make it office as a site, a network for people to plug into, for whatever reason they may have, maybe that'south a practiced thing.

JL: Can you talk a little chip virtually what you hateful by floating departure?

WP.L: I estimate when I started this I was thinking, what divides black people? Some black people believe that black is more specific, like, Aargh! Kinte cloth! And some blackness people say, well, we have a European connection, and a Caribbean connection ... it's a broad horizon of behavior. That'due south more my thing. What nearly the space between these two groups? I was interested in making a work that might speak to that. Then I realized that, the more I looked into information technology, what divides those two groups, in a fashion, divides maybe men from women, or gay folk from non-gay folk, so on and and so on.

JL: So, your thought of what constitutes blackness...

WP.50: It's about problems of authenticity. But I'm non so interested in that. I'thou interested in paying homage to where I began, giving back to the neighborhoods and all that. Definitely, of course, I'yard going to give back to blackness. Because, no affair what anyone says almost black being a wide horizon of possibilities, as Malcolm X said, y'all're still a nigger. And many people however categorize you lot in a very narrow way. That's the political reality. Over time, black people have been able to engage in a wider array of activities. Only people look at really what blackness people do a lot, and many people nonetheless think it's body-bound. Yous know, blackness singers, black sports people. The idea that black folk could exist intellectual, but if they are intellectual, it can only be virtually race matters. Hence, the final 20 years of cultural theory.

JL: It seems to me that the media is doing the same bad job representing the blackness community, if there's such a affair as one black community. Just on the other manus you lot encounter a lot of new faces that are breaking the stereotypes. There are TV shows now that accept interracial relationships that don't fifty-fifty bring it up as a topic .... Maybe I'm living in a bubble in New York, but I feel like, yeah, there'due south still intergroup ethnic conflict, but things seem a lot more smoothed over. I'yard curious if you pick up on any of that or what your reaction is.

WP.Fifty: I remember information technology's kind of where you are, too. Overwhelmingly, even now, prisons contain I think it's over l% black people, black males. Even though the other things yous're saying may be true, that's still true. So what's really going on? My older brother is 1 of those people ... and I was supposed to exist one of them, more or less, and I know guys that I grew upwards with, most of them ... get hooked up with some kind of criminality or dysfunction. And the incidence of AIDS in the black community. Some of those things are still true. So I think at a cultural level information technology's true that some of those images are changing, simply I recall on an infrastructural level in terms of real aid to the blackness community, or trying to modify some of the embedded patterns ... a lot of [those patterns] are all the same there.

JL: You're originally from the New York area, and you've been all over the identify, merely you settled [in Lewiston, Maine]. Is it a place that really inspires what you're doing?

WP.L: I like small towns. My parents are from small towns, my mom is from a very small identify. A lot of her life was spent in Mobile, Alabama. There'due south something about them, the fact that the loudest matter's a lawnmower. I estimate at a sure function of my life I needed to see some other possibility. Y'all tin can tell from a project like this I have this tendency, no thing whether I'm here or not, I'll create complicated shit. So I need to be in a place where I tin't do that equally easily as possible, and Maine's one of those places. And sometimes I have to make myself not practise that. I could take done this projection ... much simpler. There are different versions that I accept sketched out.... Actually, I idea fifty-fifty after those models, this is near elegant: Iii people. Truck. Machine. I think the most complex part of The Black Mill is the people element. If you could do this without whatever people, information technology would be a cracking project. Hah! Of course, I'm being facetious.

William Pope.L is a prominent, multi-disciplinary artist known for his ironic and martial conceptual fine art dealing with consumerism, social class and racism. Pope.L regularly draws upon his African-American heritage to tackle variations upon what he calls "social conundrum." He is trenchantly dubbed "The Friendliest Blackness Artist in America", which is also the title of a volume on his works published in 2002 past MIT Press.

Jonathan Lachance holds a B.A . in English and a masters caste in urban planning, but he'due south all near fiction. He recently completed a showtime novel, Heirs of Eminence, and is hard at piece of work on his second. He has published articles on urban planning in Progressive Planner magazine. When he's not glassy-eyed in front of a computer, there's a good chance he's reading something past Murakami or Chandler or practicing Yiddish with his bubbe. He lives in Brooklyn. Contact Jonathan@kgbbar.com.

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